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His son with thunder and a sceptre
Thrace · c. 60 BCE
And next night he dreamt that he saw his son under a more than human appearance, with thunder and a sceptre, and the other insignia of Jupiter, Optimus, Maximus, having on his head a radiant crown, mounted upon a chariot decked with laurel, and drawn by six pair of milk-white horses.
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- Source
- The Lives of the Twelve Caesars (Thomson trans., rev. Forester) — Suetonius; trans. Alexander Thomson, rev. T. Forester, c. 121 / 1796 (trans.). Augustus, ch. XCIV
- Record type
- Anecdote collection
- Place
- Thrace · Roman
- Date
- c. 60 BCE
- Uncertainty
- High — From Suetonius’ Lives of the Twelve Caesars (A. Thomson trans., rev. T. Forester); an omen-dream reported by a Roman biographer.
- Imagery
- Child · Father · Horse · Light · Ruler
- Feelings
- Awe · Joy
Another way to look at this dream
Notes on the images in this dream from psychology, myth, folklore and semiotics. Each names its source.
Child
Whose child was it — yours, someone you know, or yourself when young? What did the child need?
Jung · The child archetype
Jung described the “child” in dreams and myth as an image of what is not yet — a beginning, small and easy to overlook, that carries a future.
C. G. Jung, “The Psychology of the Child Archetype”, Collected Works 9i
Psychoanalysis Depth psychology
Freud began his theory with children’s dreams, which he found to be plain, undisguised wishes — a trip promised, a treat withheld.
Freud, The Interpretation of Dreams (1900), ch. III
East Asian custom Folk saying
In China and Korea (where it is called taemong), “conception dreams” before a birth are a living custom, often retold within families.
East Asian folk custom
Father
Was this your own father as you know him, or a father-like figure? Was there something unsaid between you?
Jung · Objective and subjective level
Jung suggested reading a dream figure twice: as the actual person, and as part of yourself. A dreamed father may be about him — or about your own sense of authority.
C. G. Jung, “On the Psychology of the Unconscious”, Collected Works 7
Confucian classics Classical text
Confucius, growing old, lamented that he had not dreamed of the Duke of Zhou — his model and spiritual forebear — for a long time.
Analects 7.5
Psychoanalysis Depth psychology
The night after his father’s funeral, Freud dreamed of a notice reading “You are requested to close the eyes” — a dream he connected to duty and self-reproach.
Freud, The Interpretation of Dreams (1900), ch. VI
Horse
Were you riding the horse, chasing it, or running from it? Did it go where you wanted?
Greek philosophy Philosophy
Plato pictures the soul as a charioteer driving two horses, one willing and one unruly — the self as something that has to be steered.
Plato, Phaedrus 246a–254e
Chinese poetry Literature
Xin Qiji, a general who no longer commands, dreams himself back among army camps and warhorses: horses as a life that has ended but still returns at night.
Xin Qiji, “Po Zhen Zi”
Exploration notes, not a diagnosis, a prediction, or evidence of real events.
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